The Titan cycle as a whole was oppressive in Standard, at least until Caw-Blade happened, and Prime Time was the most powerful of the 5. Sam Stoddard has called it a mistake along the lines of Jace TMS, Bitterblossom, and Tarmogoyf. While it's only banned in Commander, the decks it's powered have had other pieces banned that were more deck-specific (why do you think you don't need to worry about Dark Depths in the first place?). If it was printed today, it would certainly be banned.
Get a Dark Depths, Thespian's Stage, and I suppose any land that taps for 2 to just pull off that combo right away. Primeval Titan is utterly broken and was a mistake.
Afterlife much? Yeah, such straightforward forced creature saccing in white (that isn't centered around "balancing" effect) needs to be adjusted to. Forcing to sac attacking creatures is something that white does time to time though...
Notable similarity with Pack Hunt. This is much harder to assess since you can search for multiple different creatures and also those that you share with your opponent. So perhaps it's closer to Congregation at Dawn.
Considering the creatures are put on top of library it seems unlikely this would do anything that broken... Going with Elvish Visionary and Wall of Blossoms for example seems nice but not backbreaking.
This is quite intriguing though the white color is indeed very questionable. Also, echo is, well, somewhat awkward (likely has to be read multiple times to be understood, drawback mechanic, etc). In this design, while the use is extremely cute, it makes less sense if you think that now the choice whether one should pay the echo cost is completely lost (excluding some laughable narrow scenarios).
Would you able to word this without the use of echo in a way that it still remains nice and simple? I would be interested to see that.
Yeah, but SecretInfiltrator tried to draw the comparison to Prime Time, which gets you shot down automatically
it's nowhere near Titan level. It's not even near Scapeshift level, and that card is legal everywhere.
The Titan cycle as a whole was oppressive in Standard, at least until Caw-Blade happened, and Prime Time was the most powerful of the 5. Sam Stoddard has called it a mistake along the lines of Jace TMS, Bitterblossom, and Tarmogoyf. While it's only banned in Commander, the decks it's powered have had other pieces banned that were more deck-specific (why do you think you don't need to worry about Dark Depths in the first place?). If it was printed today, it would certainly be banned.
lands now ETBT
Checking Primeval Titan's legality it is not banned in any 60-card formats. This indicates hyperbole concerning "utterly broken".
I am also fine ignoring certain eternal combinations and Dark Depths is on the list of cards that future designs will not be held hostage by.
Get a Dark Depths, Thespian's Stage, and I suppose any land that taps for 2 to just pull off that combo right away. Primeval Titan is utterly broken and was a mistake.
Yeah - "It's almost as good as primeval titan" is indeed the problem with it.
@kaeufr: Is this a problem? I mean you already can get two of them and a 6/6 trample for six mana. Would you prefer the lands ETB tapped?
@dude1818: Elaborate, please.
Compare and contrast with Primeval Titan whenever possible.
8 mana and only 1 card for Marit Lage seems good too.
I'll have 3 Cloudposts please, thank you.
"for three land cards" >> "for up to three land cards"; compare Nissa's Renewal
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For when two may be enough, but three makes you more comfortable.
Cycle of what I'll call "half-gold multicolor" like Dreadbore or Glimpse the Unthinkable.
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For when two may be enough, but three makes you more comfortable.
Cycle of what I'll call "half-gold multicolor" like Dreadbore or Glimpse the Unthinkable.
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For when two may be enough, but three makes you more comfortable.
Cycle of what I'll call "half-gold multicolor" like Dreadbore or Glimpse the Unthinkable.
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For when two may be enough, but three makes you more comfortable.
Cycle of what I'll call "half-gold multicolor" like Dreadbore or Glimpse the Unthinkable.
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For when two may be enough, but three makes you more comfortable.
Cycle of what I'll call "half-gold multicolor" like Dreadbore or Glimpse the Unthinkable.
That's quite brutal, indeed. A lot better than first strike. Reminiscent of Laccolith Grunt, but normally even better.
Damaging just the blocker has been done a few times: Assembled Alphas, Acolyte of the Inferno, Flameheart Werewolf, Inferno Elemental. (And there's also Goblin Swine-Rider for the more indiscriminate version.) Hitting the player has only been seen before on Assembled Alphas, I think, and that's got the "blocks or becomes blocked by" line. Makes this a bit reminiscent of Lone Wolf / Thorn Elemental.
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I can kinda see white getting this; but it would need some kind of condition really. Sacrifices a tapped creature, maybe?
Though ironically that would also make this somewhat better most of the time; so maybe not that.
How about the creature comes back when the spirit dies?
Afterlife much? Yeah, such straightforward forced creature saccing in white (that isn't centered around "balancing" effect) needs to be adjusted to. Forcing to sac attacking creatures is something that white does time to time though...
Notable similarity with Pack Hunt. This is much harder to assess since you can search for multiple different creatures and also those that you share with your opponent. So perhaps it's closer to Congregation at Dawn.
Considering the creatures are put on top of library it seems unlikely this would do anything that broken... Going with Elvish Visionary and Wall of Blossoms for example seems nice but not backbreaking.
This is quite intriguing though the white color is indeed very questionable. Also, echo is, well, somewhat awkward (likely has to be read multiple times to be understood, drawback mechanic, etc). In this design, while the use is extremely cute, it makes less sense if you think that now the choice whether one should pay the echo cost is completely lost (excluding some laughable narrow scenarios).
Would you able to word this without the use of echo in a way that it still remains nice and simple? I would be interested to see that.
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Temporary draw had a far less appealing wording when I tried it on this card. ^^
"..." >> "buried"
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