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2017-09-15 04:43:22: WOM Devign Team edited Summit Behemoth:
Design specifications for this guy were "largest common vanilla ever," so some numerical tweaks are now required
2017-09-14 18:08:28: WOM Devign Team commented on Yokhombo Scuttler

Chromeshell Crab, Giant Crab, Hightide Hermit, Salvage Scuttler, and Thassa's Emissary have equal P/T, though I don't think we're super attached to the current creature type. I have been arguing that this is an in-pie use of twobrid, but I do agree that it isn't the most satisfactory from a design perspective, especially compared to cards like Burdened by Conscience or Yokhombo Dactyl that also much more satisfy my Melvin sensibilities. We still have a tightening up to do around exactly when, where, and how to use twobrid on monocolored cards, but I would be totally unsurprised to see this move to 2UU because it just wasn't a very high value use of a mechanic we want to be judicious with.

I'll see about whipping up a short blurb about us and pinning it -- there are only really two members right now, and as you can probably tell I'm the one who's most chatty on Multiverse.

--CF
2017-09-14 17:57:08: Mal commented on Yokhombo Scuttler

I'd feel like I'd like this better if this wasn't a crab. What kind of crab has equal P/T and has prowess? Some sort of softshell kung-fu crab?

In regards to the 2-brid discussion, the main question I have here is "are other colors interested in this effect?" I can't see too many non-blue decks that want what amounts essentially to a tempo card for 6 here. For the existing 2-brid cards, Beseech the Queen is definitely a card that other colors would want access too, especially combo decks. Flame Javelin can provide extra reach in an aggressive deck, and Spectral Procession provides chump bodies for defense in a blue or black-based control deck when necessary. Advice from the Fae is kinda garbage all around and I can see some minor applications of Tower Above in a red or white deck. Furthermore, it's a point that Tahazzar mentioned, but all are effects that are strongly a certain color, but every color does have some sort of access to. Colorless can tutor (Tamiyo's Journal), burn (Flamecast Wheel), make tokens (Myr Battlesphere), draw cards (Emmessi Tome), and pump creatures/have a lure effect (Coral Helm, Magnetic Web), but those effects are undeniably a certain "color" when it comes to colored spells that have access to them.

I don't mind the color pie break as much as Tahazzar does, because I can see the justification for it, but this card feels suited for blue-based decks through and through. (And I guess it could go in a RDW-esque deck, but at 6 mana a tempo card is probably not what you're looking for)

So, looking through the set, I'm much more Melvin'd by cards like Burdened by Conscience or Yokhombo Dactyl, and I can see some applications of Kael Palisade, Inevitable Demise, and Obsidian Jaguar, because they're all serviceable in decks that can't cast it for it's colored cost. In this particular instance, I'd rather the cost be than , like you mentioned.

Addendum: @WOM Devign Team, could you do some sort of blurb explaining who's who that is using the account?
2017-09-14 16:57:22: WOM Devign Team commented on Yokhombo Scuttler

There may not be a "perfect state," but there's certainly a present state -- what things are and are not out of pie, right now. If you made a blue pinger today, it would be out of pie. If you made a red pinger 20 years ago, that would be out of pie. The fact that things will slowly change in the future isn't a reason to not use them roughly as they are now on things that you are doing in the now.

If WotC changes the color pie so that colorless no longer has access to almost any effect while work on this set is ongoing, perhaps we will change the twobrid cards en masse. Perhaps not, since there really isn't much point to twobrid with that pie change. The shadowmoor cycle would become unacceptable, and the mechanic would probably never be used again. If we make a set that is correct for the era and 20 years later some parts of it are obsolete or no longer in the same color, there's no problem with that. It is exactly how real sets have always functioned and will always function, because you don't know exactly which way the future will go (although I personally really doubt that they will ever shift away from colorless pie doing almost anything).

--CF
2017-09-14 11:59:44: Tahazzar commented on Yokhombo Scuttler

There's no "perfect state" and there's certainly things to improve in MTG design. That same thing ("The color pie is pretty well established") could be said ten years from now or been said ten years ago. IMO it remains as meaningless in either state. There are mistakes made along the way all the time, and sometimes you may come to right conclusions even if you are on the wrong path. People may have had so much else to think about that this may have evaded their scrutiny. There are infinite reasons as to why at this point of time this is now though of as being the right decision even if it would be wrong. Time does not give meaning itself.
2017-09-14 11:52:34: Tahazzar commented on Throatcrusher Strike

Yes, but starting to use "up to" commonly would make those walkers easier to parse as well. While I don't know what are the cards that bring most new players in (ie. inspire them - if there are any specific group of cards), I could imagine Planeswalkers being those cards, especially as they are the highest profile cards there are. As such, using "up to" as a standard convention seems preferably from both perspective - be it the perspective of the commons that use "up to" or that of the planeswalkers.
2017-09-14 11:24:32: WOM Devign Team commented on Throatcrusher Strike

Planeswalkers are mythics. I think the up to one wording would cause confusion on a common for fairly small gain, though we'll be thinking the trade off over.

--CF
2017-09-14 11:23:00: WOM Devign Team commented on Yokhombo Scuttler

I don't really know what more there is to say. The color pie is pretty well established, including the ability for colorless/generic to do almost anything. The people who decide that sort of thing have pretty clearly come down one way, and we're planning to pretty much go along with that.

--CF
2017-09-14 11:13:12: Tahazzar commented on Throatcrusher Strike

Cycling for is hardly scary even when added to the functionality already here.

"Up to one" might have a couple of words more, but I would argue that in how it plays out it's less complex. It's also worth of note that planeswalkers (for obvious reasons) already use this wording commonly so it's not so obscure.
2017-09-14 11:11:59: Tahazzar commented on Yokhombo Scuttler

"Out of its bottle" eh? Imagine if MTG designers had went with that though from the very game's conception. Color pie would never have developed further and blue would still have access to most things. IMO that's a cop out, not an argument.

I see it as a flaw and flaws in general should be fixed. If it has been around for a long time, then it's a long-seeded flaw and should be treated as more troublesome.
2017-09-14 11:00:01: WOM Devign Team commented on Yokhombo Scuttler

Yeah, Erratic portal is not much in the way of precedent. As far as shocks and twobrid go, 3G is off the table, but probably works, even though you can of course use any combination of mana that could cast 3G to cast the twobrid version. But then, you could use 3G to cast Moonglove Extract too. Colors getting acces to out of pie effects by paying generic mana is pretty much out of its bottle now.

--CF
2017-09-14 10:54:46: WOM Devign Team commented on Throatcrusher Strike

Yeah, put a note on cards most affected by lack of fizzling. "Up to one" gives it pseudo-cycling, but I'm not sure it's worth the extra words and complexity.

--CF
2017-09-14 10:51:20: Tahazzar commented on Throatcrusher Strike

Is that because of your hypothetical change to rule 608.2b? In this particular case I would just have it be:

> Up to one target creature gains double strike UEOT.
> Draw a card.

Really, the "up to one" should replace "may" in many cases as well and become the norm for the fact of how much more intuitive it is in function.
2017-09-14 10:48:15: Tahazzar commented on Yokhombo Scuttler

Oh yeah, I totally butched that analogy at the height of that rantish fervor. Definitely there. Well, I still think it smells extremely fishy.

Erratic Portal is from 1998 and is also isn't erm... "hard-bounce" - so it's hardly a precedent.
2017-09-14 08:19:58: WOM Devign Team edited Ravenous Summons:
Hallelujah, nice templating is here at last.
2017-09-14 08:15:31: WOM Devign Team commented on Huatzil's Return

Going to be monocolor (I think probably white), but looks like it will need to push out a current rare.

--CF
2017-09-14 08:12:34: WOM Devign Team edited Relentless Pursuit
2017-09-14 08:12:18: WOM Devign Team edited Relentless Pursuit:
as the skeleton firms up, this would be nice to fit in the goldbrid rare slot
2017-09-14 08:08:43: WOM Devign Team commented on Throatcrusher Strike

Now draws even if target becomes illegal, no costing change needed.

--CF
2017-09-14 08:03:46: WOM Devign Team commented on Redoubled Assault

Can search even if target becomes illegal, cost still fine.

--CF
2017-09-14 08:03:12: WOM Devign Team commented on Disheartening Betrayal

Falter still happens now even if threaten target dies. Cost probably doesn't need to change.

--CF
2017-09-14 08:01:27: WOM Devign Team edited Chastise the Weary:
simplified wording with fizzling gone
2017-09-14 07:58:52: WOM Devign Team edited Trawl the Marshes:
corrected "as you cast wording" for cards with a variable targeting restriction
2017-09-14 07:56:55: WOM Devign Team edited Pazali, Who Slithers in Rot:
clearer text in the case of an illegal target, based on necromantic selection
2017-09-14 07:53:21: WOM Devign Team commented on Inevitable Demise

Can now search even if the target becomes illegal, no change in cost seems needed as a result.

--CF
2017-09-14 07:51:39: WOM Devign Team edited Feed to the Snakes:
wording based on Warren Weirding
2017-09-14 07:48:34: WOM Devign Team edited Feed to the Snakes:
changed text to preserve functionality in post-fizzle world
2017-09-14 07:41:17: WOM Devign Team commented on Clutch of Calakmul

Now gains life even if target becomes illegal, don't think any change in cost is required.

--CF
2017-09-14 07:30:42: WOM Devign Team edited Brackish Surge:
2U->1U. Still hard to do better than Mind Sculpt, so maybe this is okay.
2017-09-14 07:28:39: WOM Devign Team commented on Anwyll's Blessing

Note: Can never draw if no legal targets.

--CF