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It's always a pity when you have to increase the price of a colourshift. (See also Frantic Salvage vs Footbottom Feast.) But Exhume probably wouldn't be printed at that price if it were being designed new today. So yeah, it's probably safer and saner this way.
Well, my mind is at ease. I would have hated having to solve this card.
Let's be honest with ourselves. It probably requires that colorless. I'm adding it... the card has plenty of opportunities in set anyway, since white is the artifact color. I'm sure it will be played and appreciated.
There's always something to be said about it being okay to have a card be better than every other existing card. It's bound to happen to every card eventually. I don't think any staple card is so sacred that it can't be quasi-obsoleted.
That said, you already know my opinion on 1cc Elves. I don't like them. I know many people who do, though, so I defer to those people.
It's easy for me to change this to 'basic' forest, since that's kind of the intent anyway, and I'm not a fan of Shock lands leeching bonus abilities. Most of the time I wouldn't bother, but the power level of this card is high, so I'll draw the line.
That said, I know many mono-green decks that play Elf over Bird for that extra point of power. This card, for example, won't be able to block an incoming Titan on round 7. That might seem like a minor concession, but I'm pretty sure that would mean game in many match-ups. To be honest, I kind of think getting the forest is worse than having a bonus blocker/creature to enchant/Overrun leecher. Green likes having creatures.
Insults are not a good plan.
It can still only get forests, so Birds of Paradise have a nice place to live. (If you've got the true dual lands, well, power level is hardly an overriding concern now, is it?)
It's usually going to be better than the elves, though. It's very good. No doubt about that. Dawntreader Elk suggests this ought to at least have an activation cost. Sakura-Tribe Elder was very very good similarly - but did at least cost one more.
Dropping in extra lands is far more powerful then just mana dorks. This would essentially replace BOP in many legacy and vintage decks that want more ways to drop lands in, thinning the deck and having a less destructible mana in play.
I agree no further delay is necessary. This can still be burned the turn it's dropped. This is, however, halfway between Llanowar Elves and Birds of Paradise, thanks to the shocklands. (Every other nonbasic Forest ETBs tapped or equivalent anyway.) If this was in Standard with shocklands, it'd be a money uncommon or rare; otherwise it's fine as a common that happens to be awesome in Modern.
"Broken with Sun Titan" is no more of an argument than "Broken with Tinker" is. The problem is Sun Titan, not this card. This is fractionally more recurrable than Battle Hymn, but not enough to matter, I'd say.
No, it wouldn't be an infinite loop. No more so than Furnace of Rath makes Shock deal infinite damage. Each replacement effect gets to apply once to an event. If after all replacement effects have applied it ends up back the way it was, that's fine. If both players have this, lifegain ends up affecting whichever of these two players it would have originally affected.
Innistrad, or Scars of Mirrodin? Even so, this is just a oneoff; it doesn't look broken to me. (I could see it gaining a mana in development due to the easy way you can build your deck to break the symmetry.)
Joz may like to note that this is only as off-colour as the original source card Survival Cache is. White has a minor theme of drawing cards conditional on the life total: there's Convalescent Care as well, and I think there might be another one or two.
Battle Hymn just adds red, and is not a land. You can drop a Sun Titan in with this land, get the land back, and then use it again to drop something else, filtering the mana if you have to.
In a limited format, its ok. But beyond that it would be a wallet buster.
Mmm. It's crazy how powerful Gaea's Cradle used to be. It makes a card like this look tame... though this card is pretty boss.
The skeleton tells me that I still have space for a Mythic Land. I could ignore the power problems on this card and just promote it to Mythic, if the land seems splashy enough to you?
Alternatively, the activation could just be increased. I'd rather not, if possible. It's very good, but it's hard to guage how good. It is, after all, just Battle Hymn.
Ah, yes, 'dies'. You can tell I've slowly been pecking at this set for a while now. ;)
Edited and thank you.
But they do enter the battlefield tapped, due to summoning sickness. You're asking for a two-turn delay. I don't know if that's really neccessary. I do admit, though, this is really strong. As it is, I think Llanowar Elves is too powerful for Magic. I've never like turn one accellerants.
Quite right. Also got rid of "If you do". Why penalize someone for putting a 3 cost creature into play withtout lands? That guy should get a reward.
Quite right. Changed.
I agree. That reads much better. Thank you.
As for the infinite loop... yeah. I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist for now. That certainly could come up in a draft, but it's not something you can intentionally create yourself, without playing around with Bazaar Traders or something. It is a problem, though.
Hmm. But you would need library manipulation, which isn't as common as one would think. And then the turn you cast this, you're drawing a land. It's never going to be a top-decking game saver.
But I get where you're coming from. I've temporarily moved it up to four... though, I think it might be missing the point there. I really enjoy drafting these decks, so I'm more focused on limited. It's not really a very exciting card at 4 in limited, and wouldn't be broken at 3 there. But at least it forces the drafter to ask himself how much he values the card, and that's good.
I'll be watching this card while drafting. If people aren't playing it, it'll be going back down to three.