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CardName: Challenge # 008 Cost: Type: Pow/Tgh: / Rules Text: Take an existing creature type that has 6+ creatures of that type but no non-Legendary "Lord" specific to it. For that creature type create a "Lord" of that type and a Tribal Spell (Enchantment, Instant or Sorcery). Flavour Text: Set/Rarity: Multiverse Design Challenge Rare

Challenge # 008
 
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Take an existing creature type that has 6+ creatures of that type but no non-Legendary "Lord" specific to it. For that creature type create a "Lord" of that type and a Tribal Spell (Enchantment, Instant or Sorcery).
Updated on 16 Aug 2011 by Darkheart

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2011-08-15 01:43:01: Darkheart created the card Challenge # 008

Hi all, this is my challenge idea. For this challenge a "Lord" is defined as a creature that gives other creatures of it's/a specific type +1/+1 Lord of Atlantis OR that requires a significant number of that creature type Supreme Inquisitor.
For the record I am doing Centaurs (as they are in my set).
Hope everyone likes the idea.

To clarify a Lord for the purposes of this challenge: It should be non-Legendary; It must give an unconditional +X/+X and/or a keyword ability to other creatures of its type OR it must have an ability that requires you to tap one or more creatures of that type for an ability that doesn't tap the lord itself.(see examples above)

Just for the record Darkheart, the challenge is to make a Lord for a Tribe that has 6+ creatures? Not to design 6+ cards? (My first read of this, I assumed the idea was to make a Lord with a Converted Mana cost of 6+, but pretty sure that that is wrong as well).

Good plan. Challenge Accepted.

2011-08-15 02:22:33: Darkheart edited Challenge # 008

Clarified the wording - you were right it was kinda misleading
You need to create a Lord AND a tribal Spell for your chosen creature type.

Note: The chosen Type must not have a "Lord" type creature already.

Heh I just had an idea for a "silly" Lord/Spell combo
Clash of the Titans
­{w}{u}{b}{r}{g}
Tribal Sorcery - Giant
Each player puts all creature cards with Titan in their name from their hand onto the Battlefield.

Elder Titan
­{3}{w}{u}{b}{r}{g}
Creature - Giant Lord [8/8]
Other creatures you control with Titan in their name get +1/+1.
­{5}, {t}: Put a creature card with Titan in its name from your hand or graveyard onto the battlefield.

Please Note: The above 'cards' are not meant to be 'serious' cards, just a silly idea I had whilst clarifying the challenge.

Edit following jmgariepy's post - Now it is a true Titan Lord. true you can now drop Titanic Bulvox amongst others with it, but why?. Great Commander for a Giant deck though :-)

Annoyingly, Titans are actually Giants. I know! I know! When you print that many cards that include a different creature type, you'd figure they would have their own type by now. But Wizard's usual response to this is to add a creature type to what's already on the type line (It isn't just a beast now, it's a Harpy Beast). I suppose "Giant Titan" doesn't sound very cool...

I have created Woeful Eye and Close Their Eyes. I will probably revisit this later when I'm not half asleep, though.

­Calling Hula, the Cat. and Lynx of Darkling Hills. I like the thought of a cat that plays with its prey. I don't like the green tribal so much, cats deserve something more interesting.

Actually - they should probably swap - the "Cats have first strike and the things they block have regenerate" is a... really crappy fog effect on an instant. Back to the drawing board.

Good challenge!

"No Lord specific to it" is a stricter criterion than people might realise. Would people know there's an Assassin lord? An Archer lord? A Cat lord? A Scarecrow lord? Even a Human lord?

(Scarblade Elite, Greatbow Doyen, Raksha Golden Cub, Reaper King, and Daru Stinger - that last thanks to the wording of Amplify and the errata of the Great Creature Type Update.)

Nonetheless, I'm going to have fun with this.

Oh, nice idea.

­Rhox Lord and Rhox Charm.

(Oops, thanks. Edit.)

Nuts to the cat lord. Maybe I'll just make up a new creature type then.

I think it's fine. I think the criterion should be "no more than one Lord for it", because there are some pretty obscure lords out there. (Balthor the Defiled is a Minion lord, but surely someone could make a better one!) I thought Centaurs already had one, in fact, but I was misremembering Seton, Krosan Protector.

­Daru Stinger is not a Lord and I wouldn't qualify Scarblade Elite as a Lord per se, Raksha Golden Cub is kind of a lord but as it is conditional I wouldn't class it as a true lord.
but I will clarify the definition of a Lord for the purposes of the challenge.
I have also ruled that, to qualify as a "Lord" it needs to be non-legendary, after all you want as many copies of your lord in play boosting your rank and file as possible :-)

2011-08-15 17:58:06: Darkheart edited Challenge # 008

Vitenka, part of the challenge is to make a lord for an existing creature type.

Added Silverback Strategist and Gorilla Tactics. I'd love to say that I went ape with this challenge, but really, I'm just monkeying around.

Jack, your links don't link. I think you're using brackets instead of parenthesis.

My entries are: Centaur Warchief and Gather the Herd. Considered giving the sorcery something along the lines of Buyback/Flashback/Kicker/etc but decided to keep it simple.

2011-08-16 06:29:42: Darkheart edited Challenge # 008

That was joke, see? Never mind. Hmm, enchantments are allowed now - that probably fits better. I'll edit my two cards and rearrange the abilities a bit. I do seem to reach for the enchantment as a catchall fix too often though. Especially since most decks don't dare run more than 1 or 2 enchantments.

I created Chief of the Formless and Fracture Reality. There is technically one Shapeshifter lord, Shapesharer, but he barely counts; I certainly think the tribe can use a bit more support :)

Also, Shadow Occulon and Dark Reflection. That doesn't technically count as there are still only two eyes printed, but there ought to be more and there won't be unless we make them :)

If I may be greedy: Basilisks

Soulstealer Basilisk Basilisk Venom

If people are stuck for inspiration, I got this far in the list of ">5 <50 cards for a creature type": Antelope Assassin Bat Bear Berserker Boar Cephalid Crab Crocodile Cyclops Dauthi Djinn Drone Dryad

Cephalids do have a lord, but he's legendary: Aboshan, Cephalid Emperor. Similarly Berserkers: Lovisa Coldeyes. So I think all those are fair game. I still think Scarblade Elite is an Assassin lord, but Darkheart disagrees so it's at least controversial enough that people should give it a go if they want :)

The reasons I don't classify Scarblade Elite as a "Lord" at least as far as this challenge goes, are:
1) He requires you to tap him directly to use his ability.
2) He only affects Assassins that are in your graveyard.
3) (linked to 2), He in no way improves/makes more useful any Assassins you may have on the battlefield.
So whilst yes, he is kind of an Assassin Lord I just don't think he is much of an assassin lord.

Mmm, I can see that argument. He doesn't either benefit from or improve in any way other Assassins on the battlefield. Yeah, that's fair enough.

The (unfortunately very vague) feeling I have is that a lord is something that beenfits from lots of that creature. So something that says "tap five" counts, but something that says "tap 2", even repeatedly, or "exile 1 from graveyard" as you need a steady supply of them, but not necessarily as many as you can get. But I admit that's very subjective, I wasn't able to put it into words until just now, and I'm sure there are still lots of exceptions.

I also think, so long as there's no official judging, the spirit is more important than the letter of the law, and that the important thing is to avoid creatures with LOTS of lords, or creatures which already have a "canonical" lord. If there's already a mediocre or questionable lord, and someone makes a better one, I think that's interesting whether or not it qualifies, so long as people aren't looking for technicalities.

Edit: I do think Scarblade Elite is creepy.

Edit: muraganda petroglyphs is sort of a bear lord, but not by any of the criteria :)

Hahaha! I wonder if bears are the creature type with the most vanillas? They're probably in with a good shot at the creature type with the highest proportion of vanillas.

­:)

Alas, not the most really. Bears have six vanillas[1], and five of them are Grizzly Bears with different names. Goblins, Zombies and Elves have 7, and Cats 8. Humans have 40. But you may be right about the proportions (excluding any unique vanilla creatures, if there are still any), there seem to be only 17 total bears. But I'm not sure what other candidates would eb worth checking :)

[1] Excluding mistform ultimus and woodland changeling

If I'm honest, I just want to see someone make a Crab Lord.

I'd like that too :) It may be have to be a combined crab/turtle/crocodile lord or something or there's really little choice... :)

Hmmmm.... the crab lord would presumably give them all tide counters.

Unfortunately, they already named a card King Crab, and they didn't even bother having him give all crabs +1/+1. Blasphemy!

I submit Adaptive Automaton and name [insert creature type with no other lord].

Adding in Coalesced Swarm for a Lord and Disturb the Hive for the associated sorcery.

Also, Generalised Turing Construct. Since Adaptive Automaton is a construct lord, but not a constuct lord :)

I was quite surprised that there is no Wolf 'Lord' considering that they are a staple of the game.
Master of the Wild Hunt is the closest existing card to a Wolf 'Lord'.
Thus, my entries are: Lupin Huntmaster and Call of the Pack.

The Packmaster pumps your wolves and gives them all that Predatory Urge, whilst Call of the Pack was inspired by and is an almost straight reprint of Sosuke's Summons given the tribal treatment.
Hope you like.

­Toxic Slime Mold and Rapid Digestion. I like the idea of Ooze tribal.

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