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CardName: Sylvan Subjugator Cost: {3}{G}{G} Type: Creature - Avatar Pow/Tgh: 4/5 Rules Text: If a creature dealt damage by Sylvan Subjugator this turn would die, that creature becomes a forest instead {T}: Sylvan Subjugator fights target creature. This ability costs {2}{G} more if you target a creature you don't control. Flavour Text: Set/Rarity: Cards With No Home None

Sylvan Subjugator

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If a creature dealt damage by Sylvan Subjugator this turn would die, that creature becomes a forest instead
{t}

: Sylvan Subjugator fights target creature. This ability costs {2}

more if you target a creature you don't control.

4/5

Updated on 29 May 2015 by Sorrow

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2015-05-27 05:46:56: Sorrow created the card Sylvan Subjugator

by Link:

This seems fairly out-of-pie.

by Sorrow:

What color/s would you say it should be then? The closest comparison I can think of off-hand is Path to Exile, which wasn't used as the basis for this.

by dude1818:

I think it should require dealing lethal damage. I'm not sure about the best color, but I think it would be sufficiently green that way.

by jmgariepy:

In theory, working with dude1818's suggestion, you could just add Deathtouch to the card. It's roughly the same effect all around, but it prevents the card from transforming creatures into lands in a quasi-white way.

Or you could just print a white creature that turns other creatures into Plains. That sounds good to me, too... it just wouldn't bother using fight to get there. Maybe -1/-1 counters (on itself) or something.

2015-05-27 23:44:21: Sorrow edited Sylvan Subjugator:

changed to lethal damage and made it easier to turn your own creatures into forests

by Link:

"If a creature dealt damage by ~ this turn would die, that creature becomes a forest instead" is perhaps a better wording.
I wouldn't use Path to Exile as a precedent for this being a white effect. That card doesn't really fit the pie to me, either.

by Sorrow:

Are there any other example of white turning creatures into lands (which is why I'm questioning whether the ability is white). The whole concept was turning creatures into lands, so I have no interest in deathtouch (fight and deathtouch aren't supposed to appear on the same card anyway). Lethal damage is a good balancer though.

2015-05-28 05:07:30: Sorrow edited Sylvan Subjugator:

Link's suggestion

by Alex:

The closest precedent to this is Song of the Dryads, which is dubious colour-pie-wise. But I do think letting this only happen once damage has been dealt brings it a lot closer to in-pie.

I don't think the creature needs to be this small any more. 4/4 would be fine; possibly even a little bigger.

I think the final ability would be better written out as two abilities:

{t} : ~ fights target creature you control.
{2} {g} , {t} : ~ fights target creature.

by jmgariepy:

White's precedent, in my mind, isn't turning creatures to lands. It's turned creatures into enchantments way back in the past with Soul Sculptor, and I don't see any reason for that precedent to be revoked. That and cards like Pacifism give white a reputation of 'turning swords to plowshares' if you will.

This isn't perfect logic... it's just if you asked me which color could do this, I'd say white first.

2015-05-29 02:05:12: Sorrow edited Sylvan Subjugator:

Changed p/t at Alex's suggestion. I prefer this tap ability's look and template as-is. I find the tap symbol appearing twice for different scenarios of fight to unappealing when a clause seems to work.

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