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CardName: Yes, Yes they do, part two. Cost: {U} Type: Instant Pow/Tgh: / Rules Text: Creatures entering the battlefield enter the battlefield. Flavour Text: And uh, then I guess they enter the battlefield? But it's too late to counterspell them? Stupid warp zone. Set/Rarity: My Universe, My Rules None |
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MaxDymond: [16:33] I like this article: http://blogs.magicjudges.org/articles/2013/12/31/enter-the-arena/
AlexChurchill: [16:41] Scarwood Treefolk being Zombifyed ETBs tapped even if there's both Humility and a Yixlid Jailer (that's dodging the Humility somehow)
Edwin: [16:49] Wow, that's confusing. I've just got to the bit about Conspiracy, where it seems that a creature coming into play isn't in play, and also isn't not in play
AlexChurchill: [16:52] Hah. Yeah. Conspiracy's "not on the battlefield" really means "are on the stack, in a hand, library or graveyard, in the ante or command zone, or outside the game"
Vitenka: [16:52] huh; so creatures dno't quantum tunnel from the stack to the battlefield?
AlexChurchill: [16:53] They sortof do, but things can look at them or affect them in the tunnel
AlexChurchill: [16:54] Despite the fact that the tunnelling is instantaneous
Edwin: [16:58] It seems weird that whether a creature affects itself depends on whether it can affect other things
AlexChurchill: [17:04] It is, very weird, but it's because people reading Orb of Dreams generally guess it'll ETB untapped
Vitenka: [17:03] Um... not that it generally makes any difference; but if the rules say it can have its effect before it's on the battlefield - that's just broken rules
AlexChurchill: [17:05] Orb of Dreams ETBs untapped, but Scarwood Treefolk ETBs tapped
Vitenka: [17:05] well yes- because it says so :)
Vitenka: [17:05] But I see your point; that distinction aint obvious
AlexChurchill: [17:06] But /why/ - or rather, /how/ to make that happen in the rules - is incredibly subtle and fiddly
since this is an instant, when do you actually play it? during all that business when a permanent is entering the battlefield, no one has priority and so can't cast spells.
now if it was an enchantment, then it might let you get around ETB costs, e.g. Lotus Vale , Mox Diamond.
I assume this would need to have an increased cost as an enchantment. Wouldn't this double trigger cards like Angel of Mercy? Actually... I'd rather like to see that card.
Mmm; that would be a vaguely plausible card; given they already did "ETB triggers don't". This one was just for the silly.