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CardName: Self Sacrifice Cost: 2WW Type: Enchantment Pow/Tgh: / Rules Text: Whenever a spell or activated ability an opponent controls would force you to sacrifice a creature, you may pay 3 life to counter that spell or ability. Flavour Text: Set/Rarity: Snap Rare

Self Sacrifice
{2}{w}{w}
 
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Enchantment
Whenever a spell or activated ability an opponent controls would force you to sacrifice a creature, you may pay 3 life to counter that spell or ability.
Updated on 28 Feb 2012 by Camruth

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2012-02-28 07:15:40: Camruth created the card Self Sacrifice

should it be as worded of "instead pay 2 life" ???

2012-02-28 07:26:51: Camruth edited Self Sacrifice

It should, but it really shouldn't exist.

­Animal Boneyard as an obvious example of its two problems - you now don't have a creature to get details from; and I can now pay life to gain more life than I paid.

­Augur il-Vec is now infinite life; as is Bottle Gnomes. I can't immediately find a "This and one other card" actual win combo. Bile Urchin and similar makes for a 3-card win though.

"Sacrifice" means "This creature HAS to be gone" is just too ingrained in the game to throw away this lightly; I fear.

Honourable mention to being able to use it to get around "When this ETBs pay extra or lose it", but that needs a hugeass critter and another way to cheat it into play.

Fortunately most of V's combos don't work because this says "an opponent controls". To that extent, there's even something approximating precedent with Tajuru Preserver. But nonetheless, I don't think this is a good idea, for similar reasons to what V said.

Oh, duh. Yeah, I missed that fillup. That does fix most of the problems. Though it'd be VERY irritating to have one enchantment mess up most of black's removal.

2012-02-28 09:31:11: Camruth edited Self Sacrifice

well it prevents sacrificing but not destroying so there are only some black removal spells affected.

It was just a random idea that I had that I decided to explore.
I reworked it slightly so how does the new version look?

Nice. Cleaner, although it may still have problems. Suppose I attack you with Ulamog's Crusher: will its Annihilator ability cause you to sacrifice a creature? It'll make you sac two permanents, but will either of them be a creature? What if you only have one noncreature permanent? I have a feeling the game doesn't know whether any given ability will cause you to sac a creature, for this kind of reason.

2012-02-28 12:55:09: Camruth edited Self Sacrifice

OK fixed that particular problem up by making it spell or activated ability. Annihilator is a triggered ability therefore it would be unable to be countered.
Work better?

All the remaining lovliness is lost :(

It's always a shame when such a clean idea has to become uglified to satisfy templating.

At least the original flavour/concept of "I give of myself so that others may live" is still intact

What was the original wording? Tajuru Preserver makes it sound like we have to decide what happens if you have a choice to sacrifice a creature or something else: whether you have to choose something else (like Preserver) or if you can choose to sacrifice but pay the life instead.

Possible rules texts might be:

"if a spell or an effect an opponent controls would cause you to sacrifice a creature, you may pay 2 life instead" (does that work?)

"Pay 2 life: target spell or ability an opponent controls can't force you to sacrfice creatures" (does that work?)

original wording was basically your first option

The problem with annihilator is the "sacrifices [a] permanent", so that isn't solved by dodging the triggeredness of it. The same problem applies to Crack the Earth, Misguided Rage, Fade Away (extra complications there), etc.

2012-02-28 21:34:02: Camruth edited Self Sacrifice

I don't know about that, if you don't have the option of countering it to begin with then there is really no problem is there?
As to the mentioned cards, none of them force you to sacrifice a creature (small wording change on card) so they couldn't be countered as you choose what permanent to sac. Work?

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