Riff on Industiral Sabotage ( http://multiverse.heroku.com/cards/7163 ).

So, it's a mana ability. Don't get faster than that. And it's a sac land, so I'm actually considering this for the dwarf set.

Thoughts?

Apart from the meaninglessness of ": " (what is this, Revised Blessing?), the fact that it requires a target, even if you don't sacrifice it, is enough to stop it from being a mana ability.

Ah, damn. Ok, rewording required (and I spit on your explicit mana pools, where ELSE are you gonna add the mana, eh?)

But is this utterly horrible as a concept for a sac land? (Eee... thinking about it, it's colourless, which is even MORE dangerous than being red)

It's a hilarious idea to use the "mana ability" concept like that. However, I'm not sure, but since (a) most players won't get the point of the rules subtleties, and (b) most artifacts don't have flash, I think a normal ", sac" ability is probably more likely to be actually printed, and a sac ability on a land is close enough to uncounterable.

I like what this card is doing. The power level may be too high, but I don't think that's the point over here, so I'll drop it.

It may be simpler to just separate this into two abilities. Add and Add + Shatter. The card may look more desirable when you do that, too. I think many people will look at this and go "I don't like it because I don't like to sacrifice my land." Stressing that you don't have to could make those people less squeamish.

Actually, especially power-level-wise, splitting it into : and ,Sac:HandShatter is saner.

For this set, the mana-speed part is playing with the rules and importanbt.

For the dwarf set, however, power level would matter. Is this ok? It's colourless artifact-blast.

Simple answer to that last problem: make it cost ", , Sacrifice ~". Just like you had to do with Deepest Delvings.

True, true. Makes it a bit more obviously a cycle, too.

Now to come up with three more....

I had no idea you were thinking this was Artifact Blast. It isn't, for the reasons I explain on Smelting Chamber.

Does anyone else think the name feels like this should be something with Split Second, and not a permanent?

The making the ability a mana ability was that part of it. (A failed part, for several different reasons, but that was the attempt and the justification for the naming.)

Personally, I don't think it's failed. It's more "too close to a different way that we do things"... a bit like Rosewater's lament that everything in Magic is just another take on Kicker. That being said, I like the idea of lands that do something in addition to making mana when tapping. This implementation is probably a bit too left field compared to the simplest version... let's say a Plains that granted +0/+1 until end of turn, or a Swamp that exiled a card in a graveyard. I'd think that a large set that included these as a theme could run something close to 25 of them... they make good utility effects and force interesting draft decisions.

No, I mean it doesn't actually work. See the continued discussion on the linked card.

He wanted to be able to use this to counter a spell, by having rules text "A player discards a card". I.e. he wanted to be able to use mana ability rules to do this in the middle of someone else announcing/casting a spell. That's what doesn't work.