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If one character can do it, then more characters will be able to discover how to do it too. If you print one color pie break, then that sets precedence for doing it again
Give Yanggu ome element of the story that makes the transportation just something Yanggu is capable of, a shared spark or somehow a sliver of the ability planeswalkers had before the mending, or maybe Mowu has an unawakened spark that is linked to Yanggu. The point being, as long as the ability is solely Yanggu's the story remains largely unaffected.
It absolutely has as large an effect. By breaking the rules and allowing one person to bring an animal with them, there's now literally nothing stopping anyone else from bringing whatever they want with them. For example, literally the entire Bolas arc hinged on the fact that living material can't be transported through the BE, so throwing out that rule invalidates the last three years of the story.
@dude1818 "That was an intentional choice they made, and MaRo's (utterly inane) claim that they let Yanggu do it because "it seemed fun" is literally no different than printing a green Lightning Bolt because "it seemed fun"" I might be missing your intention here, but hard colorshift for a green Lightning Bolt changes the play of the game- green decks now have access to the removal and face damage of bolt that those decks otherwise wouldn't have..That will affect every format the card could potentially be legal for. A story/lore break need only affect the character or characters in question and they become a unique exception that does not affect other rules of of the universe. Make any excuse (after all, this is Magic), and apply it. If Ravnica can have all angels being clones or altered clones of Razia and a gorgon population emerging after the species had one sole member left, Magic can paddle something out about why Yanggu can planeswalk Mowu.
I'm not saying MaRo needed to make the article in question, just that story alterations cannot really be compared game alterations because their consequences are different. Also, I am not necessarily in favor of Yanggu being able to bring an organic matter creature with him, but rather I'm just used to these retcons or deviations happening from experiences with other media. These deviations from what were once truths of the media do not invalidate the media's other engaging or enjoyable features.
MaRo is 100% responsible for this, because he made up something on his blog that was wrong, and when we called him out on it, he doubled down
Living organisms die in the Blind Eternities if they're not protected by a spark. And a very important part of the Mending was nerfing the spark, which included being able to protect other people you could carry with you. That was an intentional choice they made, and MaRo's (utterly inane) claim that they let Yanggu do it because "it seemed fun" is literally no different than printing a green Lightning Bolt because "it seemed fun"
Mowu is a golem, not a dog
I'm pretty sure for common sense that they let planeswalkers keep their clothes lmao...
But then again, if we're gonna deep-dive, and we're nerds, so yes we will; i suppose in the mtg multiverse what we know about quantum mechanics has never been stated, so technically speaking it's possible for something that we would consider organic to be inorganic (as far as i remember, clothing is inorganic, yes it's made from organic material, but it's all processed, and more than that im pretty sure the cells are dead. it doesn't grow or rot, meaning it's artificial in my books)
Also i've noticed that maro sometimes just makes shit up or is kind of contradictory instead of admitting he's wrong but again we only get to see so much what's behind the curtain... but yeah it does seem oddly.. convenient sometimes what he decides to answer with... or sometimes he skirts around the question entirely.... idk it's pretty annoying imo, but i hope i'm wrong, cause otherwise it's just kinda minorly shitty.
Also it's been specifically stated pwalkers can bring clothes and small items. so that's probably an inherent thing they are capable of, or perhaps (this is a bit speculative) they can use their will to bring things of that sort. I might've heard they can/cant bring food, but if they can it pretty much confirms the pure will theory. if they cant (which i remember them not being able to) then they cant transport organic material, but not clothes either because clothes are inorganic or it's a special case.
lmao maro worked on roseanne for 1 season that's like his entire bibliography but yeah he does write well which makes reading his constant stuff not a chore (and besides it's a chore if you dont want to and you dont need to so dont bother if u dont want to but if you do want to see that stuff he presents it well enough)
Yeah actually i liked the comparison between people caring about intense mechanical consistency and intense flavor consistency, but both gave good reasons why its important to break defaults.
I definitely didn't think this sucked when i saw it i was like oh cool a doggie, that was my camp for sure... but yeah i mean i just figure it's neat he can do that... then again it's not really fair to call it a default because it's absolutely comes off as a constraint to the audience, and i think it mostly is, i was reading his rhetorical questions and expected him to say Yes when asking himself (or the readers i guess lol) if it was a rule they could break, but he said no which just makes me feel like he just wrote all that to elaborately """prove""" he was right , but really just didn't have an important article (Which is fine) and didn't want to admit he was wrong (which aint fine)
then again maro is not the responsible party for creating this unique situation, so he's not at fault for anything expect throwing those who did under the bus.
I normally just accept story how it is cause I'm not super into reading stories or experiencing characters or any of that intimate delicate stuff as i am having a thorough knowledge of all events (down to the smallest detail)
i very rarely question motivation or most things, this especially didn't strike me as odd, it still doesnt thinking about it but i do agree magic presented the planeswalker rule as an absolute and should not have broken it..
if its a default, whatever... magic has been doing a shabby job of some aspects of planeswalkerness lately...
first of all lots of the cards have been so similar, boring and methodological...
secondly they suck at advertising, explaining, empathizing and making it stick/be important that players are basically planeswalkers in game.
this is just kind of tangenty
Indeed; so is clothing. Oh dear.
...wait; I mean clothing is organic. Not clothing is a dog. That's even sillier imagery I didn't need for planeswalker's arrival.
Mowu isn't organic matter? Isn't he a dog?
It's also utterly irrelevant, because Mowu isn't organic material and so the whole topic is moot. But MaRo refuses to admit he's wrong about anything ever, so he wrote an extra 3k words trying to defend his claim that "it's okay for some people to travel with organic matter," when that literally never happened and we just want him to acknowledge that he fucked up once on a 5 second answer on his blog
Could have just written: "Planeswalkers can't what now"?
But to be fair, MaRo is a frustrated sit-com writer. Give him a chance to babble about the story side of things and he will :)
It is kinda interesting that's he's not able to see how breaking an internal rule is as disruptive to the segment of the audience that cares about mtg as a universe as breaking the colour pie is to those who care about the mechanical game itself, though.
Such I just waded through MaRo's latest article, Constraints and Defaults. The key bit is The response to [Wrenn and Six and Mowu and Yanggu] was why could we break that rule while I was holding so firm to red being unable to destroy enchantments, something mono-red players have been asking for forever.
And then he wrotes 3K words without pointing out a painfully obvious detail: whether or not planeswalker can carry other people has no effect on card design; it affects story writing|
The "planeswalker can't carry others" means nothing to the cards available to any given color whatsoever. It has nothing to do with the design of magic, much less the color pie. Red not destroying enchantments, however does.
You don,t need to rehash an old article to say that, jesus.
:O Lots of good threads and custom design in general is gonna get lost to time with MTGSalvation going
i dont wanna be a negative jerk but im like 90% sure that this is just the start of the craposity.
So MagicFind apparently doesn't take care of MtGSalvation and the forum is down. Unimpressive work there.
They are off to a good start to me: I'm unable to register/activate my account. <
Anyone here having a different experience?
Oh, these site-sales are definitely removing a week or two of heartbeats from my life span...
Staff will move on to MtGNexus and I'll probably use this opportunity to be active in both communities until I figure out which of the two sites turns out to be more to my liking.
I assume the staff will take its so-called strict policies over to the new site and continue to not be lenient, so I have high hopes for MtGNexus.
Sadly they didn't go for MtGExodus as a name.
I don't see both dying any more than before. There are plenty of minor MtG-sites with forums that just go on existing on relatively small communities. That said MtGSalvation already was on the brink of death, so worst case that still happens, but at some later point. /shrug
EDIT: Fun Fact: MtG Nexus is a youtube-channel. They also have a new website starting two days ago... is that it? It doesn't seem like it. Are two sites called almost the same starting out at about the same time? Maybe a name change is still in order.
Are there any cards mentioning Survivor in Modern? How many are there for Sand? There is at least a printed creature with creature type Sable, but as far as creatures with changeling are concerned they all are.
Coward has been introduced as a creature type that is oozing with flavor, but not even Norin the Wary got to be one - printed two sets to early for it. But it does exactly what it's supposed to. I'm not certain there is a non-Shapeshifter Goat in the set either.
Being a creature type that is only ever granted is not so much more objectable than a token-only creature type though, right?
I know anything that affects changelings is sufficiently useful, but it's still niche in that there's few cards anyone would know the type from.
I mean, in principle, they could print a card that says "all vulcans you control have hexproof" and then all the changelings would be vulcans even though nothing else is at all, but AFAIK they haven't. But I'm not sure, maybe there's a creature type that's only mentioned on one modern card?
Both will die because the community is getting tugged two ways. At least that was my first idea upon hearing this, note: i've never used Salvation, but I frequently lurk the 'pedia
So, Salvation was bought off Fandom by Magic Find, but the staff are still going forward with their new project MTG Nexus. Will be interesting to see how it turns out.
@Jack, in so far as it affects all changelings, of which there are 11 only in Modern horizon, absolutely not.
What a waste of a nice suit
(Yeah modern horizons is straight fire)
Modern Horizons is the best. I'm sad I missed the first Time Spiral block, but I'm playing the shit out of Time Spiral 2
And now we have Pyrophobia referencing Cowards, and the only cards that actually produce Cowards are Boldwyr Intimidator and Reprobation. That's more niche than Goatnapper. Is that the most niche modern creature type reference?
I haven't been following MTG much recently. Now I find they did a set with "splice onto instant or sorcery"? AND with snow mana? And a cat lord? And changelings, and about 50 other old mechanics?
And a lifedrain card in B that flashes back for RW.
Oh you're right, I misread the dates. Curse acquired MTGS in 2012, Twitch acquired Curse in 2016, and Fandom acquired MTGS this past December
"A few years"?? the hell are you talking about. The sale of Curse to Fandom was first announced in, like, early december and completed last February.
Honestly what upsets me is that Fandom has no plans (literally: I asked and they told me so!) to undo the twitch account requirement of Gamepedia, so Twitch gets to have its cake and eat it too. That enforced account merger had prompted me to stop going there (though I do miss contributing to MTG wiki), so I feel little sadness over it.
It does seem odd this spate of site shutdowns suddenly, though.
Twitch doesn't actually own MTGS anymore. They sold it to Fandom (Wikia) a few years ago. Fandom also owns HearthPwn, a major Hearthstone deck building site, and just announced they're shutting that down too