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Game Design – New Rules
Wizards has taught us new words before:

- "remove from the game" became "exile"
- "creature is put into a graveyard from the battlefield" became "creature dies"

What other new vocabulary/templating are you interested in?
last 2017-03-23 04:10:58 by dude1818
Rabiah Scale is how likely Maro thinks they are to return to a plane in a Standard-legal set.
last 2017-03-20 14:03:50 by SecretInfiltrator
last 2017-03-15 13:41:47 by Alex
Not really a conversation point per se, but someone requested an update to the creature ratios for each color for a design skeleton. May be of interest.
last 2017-03-08 20:00:01 by Link
last 2016-12-05 14:32:20 by Link

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On Introducing new Wording:

CMOS prohibits aetherborn. That's the old argument I mentioned. Plus, that's even worse, since CMOS didn't make singular they against the rules until 1998, so it chose to regress.

On Introducing new Wording:

Agree with 'they/their'. That said, I'm happy Wizards hasn't tried to cut 'he or she' down to just 'she', like some authors do. I'm listening to a Great Courses lecture right now on novel writing, and the lecturer insists on it. I'm all for doing it once or twice to maybe make a point. But constantly using 'she' as a pronoun to represent an audience is incredibly jarring. It's loading a sentence with an argument about gender inequality every time you use a pronoun.

On Introducing new Wording:

@Sorrow, @Dude, actually, the last time I saw the point brought they invoked following the Chicago Manual of Style (which I found especially poor an excuse, to be honest).

Translators ALREADY have to deal with a bunch of card names that require gendering anyway, pronouns would BARELY be an issue.

On Introducing new Wording:
On Introducing new Wording:

I've shifted to singular they/their in design since I became of aware of the push for singular gender-neutral pronouns in English.

I think I remember seeing someone bring up the question years ago on Blogatog, but I think MaRo's response was something about translation confusion.

On Introducing new Wording:

Well, following that line of thought would digress from the topic of this thread, so I just pre-emptively suggest to take it to a new card - we left the realm of game design and rules. There is nothing there preventing it.

On Introducing new Wording:

I've explicitly called out their inclusivity argument before, and the viewpoint is that it's more important to be inclusive to women than non-binary people. Inclusivity to one group requires excluding another. My previous argument for why wizards doesn't use "they" was invalidated by the aetherborn, so my stance is that wizards is explicitly trans exclusionary.

On Introducing new Wording:

I hope so. I've been very pleased by wizards efforts to become more inclusive. I agree why it would make sense for them to change the templating.

But I'm not completely sure: magic is still fighting against a stereotype of "you might like it if you're male, you won't if you're female", and removing 'she' might go against that. And there's still lots of people who will just think singular they is wrong, when it doesn't come with an explanation why it's written that way.

On Introducing new Wording:

Honestly, it seems like a matter of time until Wizards adopts that wording officially. With gender-aware inclusive characters (both transgender and gender-neutral) in short succession they show that they care - and if they can have a race of gender-neutral beings they are bound to consider the language they use on their cards as well.

I personally used the gender-neutral pronoun in my files to save five keystrokes during my most tired design crunch sessions and reverted to the "official" wording for publicized material, but then I realized that "official" wording has become something I tampered with more regularly and used the short inclusive form.

On Introducing new Wording:

Lots of people informally use "their" instead of "his or her". I don't know if that would be better or not.

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